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Re: Carmichael Family

by Penny Tray » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:20 pm

If it's still of interest to anyone, I've come across a newspaper cutting which says: -

“Private Albert Carmichael, Scottish Rifles (Cameronians), is officially reported to have died of wounds in a casualty clearing station on 26 September. He joined the Army in August, 1916, and from November of the same year he served at the front.

Prior to joining up he was employed in Nobel’s factory for over seven years.

He leaves a widow and two children, who reside in Boglemart Street, Stevenston.”


The above newspaper cutting contains a photograph of Albert which I have posted in the "WORLD WAR I GALLERY."

Re: Carmichael Family

by bertcarmichael » Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:45 am

Thank you to all who help me with information about my family history.
After a lot of digging I can confirm 100% that the Albert Carmichael from New Zealand is my Great Grandfather. The reason he was born is New Zealand was his mother and father were spirit merchants which explains this.

My cousin has found out some more information and I have been able to get a copy of his Army card.

IS there any decendants around the area still?

Re: Carmichael Family

by hahaya2004 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:25 am

I found this marriage on ScotlandsPeople:
1916 Albert James Carmichael and Mary B. Wilson, married Blythswood Glasgow City/Lanark.

If this is the correct marriage, you can get some of his wife's details from the marriage certificate.

Re: Carmichael Family

by bertcarmichael » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:20 am

Good Morning all,

First of all thank you for the help on the issues of tracking down family members. My cousin has sent me a lot of information and now I can confirm the following.

Albert Carmichael, Army Number 27797, Died 26th September 1918.

Now just to find out his wifes details see how I get one.

Bert

Re: Carmichael Family

by sweet caroline » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:40 pm

Thats correct Bert. Albert James Carmichael born Newzealand ,may be ,or not the one in the 1911 Census .Have you had a look.It could be him although he signed up in Glasgow .Died 26 Sep 1918
,but news could just have reached them around the end of October as he was a Prisoner,to be put in the papers 1/11/1918.As i said you really need that report in the A&S Herald.

sweet caroline

What age was William when he died in Ireland
Edit- They usual say if it is an Alias in the CWGC ,i don't thing it is Angus.
Although you have the names of William Carmichael and Mary Stockman,you really still need the certs,for a start age at death/ marrige should be on them.

Re: Carmichael Family

by bertcarmichael » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:50 pm

I have just found out about Albert Carmichael 32075, my friend who has began helping me on this quest has informed me that ALbert Carmichael is Angus Carmichael.

This is what my friend has found out so far.

""Pte Angus Carmichael, 30275, died as a result of wounds received in action at the village of Vichte in Belgium whilst serving with the 12th (Service) Battalion (Ayr and Lanarkshire Yeomanry), Royal Scots Fusiliers. The Canadian Newfoundland Regiment had captured the railway station two days earlier and the 12th RSF led the attack on the village on the 20th October 1918. Albert's remains were laid to rest in the Vichte Military Cemetery in plot I, row B, grave number 24. Angus had been born at Tarbert, Argyllshire in 1879 and was by trade a Grocer. He enlisted in 1915 to the RSF, giving his address as 13 Scotia Street, Glasgow and had previously served in the Militia during the Boer War.

I know the Christian name is different, but this happens alot. This is the only man with this surname with that date of death and that service number. He has 21 pages of service papers (which is unusual itself - when men died, their papers were normally destroyed) and these should confirm his next of kin etc. Will get a look over the next couple of days. You can also cross refer the address given with the 1901 and 1911 Census of Scotland, this will also give next of kin.""

Re: Carmichael Family

by sweet caroline » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:59 pm

HaHaya 2004.Only proof is the record in the Herald.

sweet caroline

Re: Carmichael Family

by hahaya2004 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:42 pm

I hope this helps to rule out the Albert Carmichael from New Zealand.
The following entry is on the Army Form of the 1st. Battalion, The Scottish Rifles:
No: .....797 (the first numbers are not visible)
Rank: Pte
Name in full: Carmichael, Albert
Age: 36
Country of birth: Scotland
Date of death: 26.9.18
Place of death: France
Cause of death: Died of wounds

Strange that the country of birth is given as Scotland. As Sweet Caroline wrote, there's no appropriate birth to be found in SP. This was all I found apart from the 1911 census.
Irene

Re: Carmichael Family

by bertcarmichael » Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:02 pm

Hi Caroline, I have just been informed that Marys maiden name was Stockman.

I am digging for more information from Aunts etc, but they are not keen to talk about thier parents as they have both passed away.

Re: Carmichael Family

by sweet caroline » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:17 pm

Off course the Stevenston Albert James Carmichael would not have been classed as died in Action ,so perhaps not on the the Rolls of Honour ,and records would have been dealt different .I think it is Angus Carmichael we have in CWGC.Would have taken longer surely to reach Ardrossan died 31.10.1918 and we have him remembered in the Herald 1.11.1918

What info did your Uncle give you,and was William married to a Mary Conner ,Belfast 1920
sweet caroline

Re: Carmichael Family

by sweet caroline » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:13 pm

Gets weirder ,Can't find Angus Carmichael in CWGC but he exists

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about Angus Carmichael -----unmarried ,grocer,had served in the Military before
Name: Angus Carmichael
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Age at enlistment: 36
Residence: 13 Scotia St, Glasgow
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 32075
Regiment Name: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Number of images: 21

Isn't it unusual to have 2 Carmichaels with the same Army Number.

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
about Angus Carmichael
Name: Angus Carmichael
Birth Place: Tarbert, Argyllshire
Death Date: 31 Oct 1918
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Glasgow
Rank: Private
Regiment: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Battalion: 12th Battalion
Number: 32075
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

Re: Carmichael Family

by sweet caroline » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:30 pm

Just names are given on War Memorials.

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

sweet caroline

Edit-sometimes they never gave their middle names.

Albert Carmichael 32075 is the only 1 remembered at VICHTE MILITARY CEMETERY

Historical Information
The railway station at Vichte was captured by the Royal Newfoundland Regiment on 20 October 1918, and the village by the 9th (Scottish) Division two days later.

In Vichte Military Cemetery, Rows A and B and part of Row C in Plot I were made in October 1918, by the burial officers of the 9th and 31st Divisions, and the remainder of the cemetery was formed after the Armistice when graves were brought in from the neighbouring battlefields. In June 1933, a further 31 graves were moved here from SWEVEGHEM CHURCHYARD.

Vichte Military Cemetery now contains 236 Commonwealth burials of the First World War, 60 of them unidentified. There are also two Second World War burials, one of which is unidentified.

The cemetery was designed by W H Cowlishaw.

Note 31st division

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