McCulloch Family - Adrossan Road, Saltcoats

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Re: McCulloch Family - Adrossan Road, Saltcoats

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I almost forgot...
William's father, Joseph, died on 09th November 1933 at Victoria Infirmary, Glasgow. He was 84. William reported the death and gave his address as 12 Ardrossan Road, Saltcoats.

If your friend doesn't have his adoption papers, this link might be useful:
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/adoption

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This was the family intimation.

GLASGOW HERALD
11 NOVEMBER 1933

DEATH – McCULLOCH

At Victoria Infirmary, Glasgow, on 9th November, 1933, Joseph McCulloch, beloved husband of Annie E. Webber, 12 Ardrossan Road, Saltcoats, senior partner of the firm of Joseph McCulloch & Sons, Sherriff Officers for Ayrshire.
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Many thanks for the information regarding Joseph McCulloch and his wife.
We are in the process of arranging to access my friend's adoption records via Birthlink.
Also, we have a problem discovering information regarding my friend's mother and her side of the family.
I have so far not been able to find anything about her birth or her parents, although I have just discovered her death record for 1959 in Kilbirnie.
On the "shortened" version of the marriage record on Scotland's People, William McCulloch married Margaret Kerr on 16/10/34. Her father was Patrick Kerr, although the name of her mother is unclear. Someone on Rootschat thought it might be Sarah Wilson, but I'm not sure. They were living in (what I think is) Factory Place, Saltcoats - maybe No. 3. We are have actually ordered a proper marriage certificate to clarity the details.
I feel I should have been able to find them in the census records, but have so far had no luck.
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The Ayrshire Directory for 1935-1936-1937 lists a Margaret Kerr, shop assistant, at 5 Factory Place, Saltcoats. There is no mention of a Patrick Kerr or Sarah Wilson.
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The Kerr side of the family seems to have stayed in Glasgow.
Margaret's parents were Patrick Kerr and his second wife Sarah Isabella Wilson.
They were married on 14th August 1903 in St. Rollox, Glasgow
Patrick, a blacksmith, died on 03rd February 1930 at Bridgeton, Glasgow. He was 56 years old and died of tuberculosis of the lungs.
Sarah died on 29th or 30th April 1953 at Shettleston, Glasgow, aged 77. She was last seen alive on the evening of the 29th, and found dead on the morning of the 30th. The probable cause of death was given as diabetes melitus coma.
Margaret's paternal grandparents were Patrick Kerr, farmer, and Mary Kelly.
Her maternal grandparents were Andrew Wilson, commercial traveller, and Sarah Bennett.
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hahaya2004 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:46 am The Kerr side of the family seems to have stayed in Glasgow.
Margaret's parents were Patrick Kerr and his second wife Sarah Isabella Wilson.
They were married on 14th August 1903 in St. Rollox, Glasgow
Patrick, a blacksmith, died on 03rd February 1930 at Bridgeton, Glasgow. He was 56 years old and died of tuberculosis of the lungs.
Sarah died on 29th or 30th April 1953 at Shettleston, Glasgow, aged 77. She was last seen alive on the evening of the 29th, and found dead on the morning of the 30th. The probable cause of death was given as diabetes melitus coma.
Margaret's paternal grandparents were Patrick Kerr, farmer, and Mary Kelly.
Her maternal grandparents were Andrew Wilson, commercial traveller, and Sarah Bennett.
Oh wow. Can't believe how you found all that information. A professional genealogist was hired to trace my friend's family but could find nothing about the Kerr side of the family!
Have done another search on Scotland's People under M Kerr, and have found a Maggie Kerr, born in 1904 with mother's maiden name being Wilson. The RD name is Bridgeton, which is where her dad died. There's a good chance this might be the Margaret we are looking for. :)
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That'll be her, I think.

I have another Kerr for your friend. Margaret's brother, Joseph Patrick Kerr.
Born 18th August 1919, Glasgow. Father Patrick, blacksmith, mother Sarah Isabella.
Married 23rd September 1944 to Jane Gallacher. He was a sheet metal worker, she was a munitions worker.
Died 1984. Too soon for more information. The certificate isn't available yet.
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Thanks for that.
I have now a problem. Bought my £7.50 worth of credits because I wanted to check the death of Maggie McCulloch in Kilbirnie. Now on the marriage certificate it lists her dad as Patrick Kerr, deceased, blacksmith.. But when I checked the death record it gives her father as Peter Kerr (deceased) blacksmith and Sarah née Wilson, also deceased.
From that information I found the birth for a Maggie Kerr on 27th September 1904, father Peter Kerr, mother Sarah Kerr née Wilson and their marriage took place on 14th Aug 1903 in Glasgow.
Those records seem to tie in and the death record is definitely for the correct Maggie. But the father of Maggie on her marriage record is Patrick!
Now I couldn't find a marriage for a Peter Kerr and Sarah Wilson in 1903, but there is one for Patrick Kerr and Sarah Wilson instead on the correct date.
So it seems he must have been known by both first names? I can't think of any other way this could have happened. It is a bit confusing.
I am however having problems trying to find Maggie on a census to confirm a Peter or Patrick family. Haven't had much luck with 1911 so far.
Oh, and on her death record where is a little side note to see the Register of Corrected Entries Vol 3 (I think) Page 222!
Talk about confusion.
I've just noticed Joseph Patrick Kerr - thanks very much! looks like there was also a nother daughter - Mary.
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The entries are given by the person who reports the death. If the birth certificate was used to give the relevant information, then that would account for the mistake. I'm pretty sure his name was Patrick.
If there is a corrected entry there should be a link to it above the orange tabs. The website has been modernised since the beginning of the month, which could be the reason for the missing link. You can report this by using the orange tab on the right hand side. You will usually get a reply within 3 working days. I can do it for you if you prefer.
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I've reported the missing entry in the Register of Corrected Entries.
I did a search on line and it seems Peter and Patrick are interchangable. Maybe like Jack and John.
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I didn't know that Peter and Patrick were interchangeable. We live and learn.
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hahaya2004 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 4:34 pm I didn't know that Peter and Patrick were interchangeable. We live and learn.

"For instance, though there are separate Gaelic equivalents of Peter (Peadair) and Patrick (Padruig), the names Peter and Patrick were often considered interchangeable in exactly the same way as Donald and Daniel." (from Highland Roots).
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