Hi everyone,
I'm researching the Ardrossan branch of the family tree and hit a brick wall. I'm hoping some local knowledge might help break it down. This is what I have so far:
Margaret Hamilton, born about 1902, my grandmother.
Her parents: William Hamilton and Mary Ann Dailly, married 21/06/1901 Ardrossan RC Chapel.
His parents: Thomas Hamilton and Mary Keenan.
Her Parents: John Dailly and Margaret Hannan.
I haven't been able to find any record of the Hamilton/Keenan and Dailly/Hannan marriages, or where they came from. Can anyone help please?
Patrick Gemmell.
HAMILTON and DAILLY families
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Re: HAMILTON and DAILLY families
Hi Patrick,could this be Mary Ann's parents?
1901 Census
Name: Mary Ann Dailly
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's name: John Dailly
Mother's name: Margaret Dailly
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 576/2
Registration district: New Ardrossan
Civil Parish: Ardrossan
Town: Ardrossan
County: Ayrshire
Address: 5 Harbour Pl
Occupation: Laundress
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 40
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1901_215
Household Members: Name Age
John Dailly 56 -c1848 Ireland-Dock Labouer
Margaret Dailly 45 -c1856 Ireland
Mary Ann Dailly 21
Thomas Dailly 16
James Dailly 15
Patrick Dailly 12 -c1889 Ardrossan
Margaret Dailly 10
Joseph Dailly 8
Hugh Dailly 3
Julia Dailly 1
You can check out Patrick's birth on Scotlandspeople.This will have where parents married.If right Dailly on Census.Patrick first child born in Ayrshire ,Elder children born Ireland.
Dailly Patrick 06/10/1922 Genoa D brother of Mrs McGraa, Ardrossan
Dailly Patrick 05/10/1923 Genoa MM Died 23/24 Sept 1922 Bro. Of Maggie McGraa
Need to check out if that is your Margaret that married a McGraa?
Dailly Margaret 26/02/1960 Stanley Rd. Ardrossan D wife of John McGraa
McGraa John 25 05 1956 14 Princes Lane, Ardrossan. D 81yrs.& husband of Margaret Dailly
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Having trouble finding William Hamilton in the 1901 census .Can you tell me his age,job,and where he was staying from the marriage details?
Ellen
1901 Census
Name: Mary Ann Dailly
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's name: John Dailly
Mother's name: Margaret Dailly
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 576/2
Registration district: New Ardrossan
Civil Parish: Ardrossan
Town: Ardrossan
County: Ayrshire
Address: 5 Harbour Pl
Occupation: Laundress
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 40
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1901_215
Household Members: Name Age
John Dailly 56 -c1848 Ireland-Dock Labouer
Margaret Dailly 45 -c1856 Ireland
Mary Ann Dailly 21
Thomas Dailly 16
James Dailly 15
Patrick Dailly 12 -c1889 Ardrossan
Margaret Dailly 10
Joseph Dailly 8
Hugh Dailly 3
Julia Dailly 1
You can check out Patrick's birth on Scotlandspeople.This will have where parents married.If right Dailly on Census.Patrick first child born in Ayrshire ,Elder children born Ireland.
Dailly Patrick 06/10/1922 Genoa D brother of Mrs McGraa, Ardrossan
Dailly Patrick 05/10/1923 Genoa MM Died 23/24 Sept 1922 Bro. Of Maggie McGraa
Need to check out if that is your Margaret that married a McGraa?
Dailly Margaret 26/02/1960 Stanley Rd. Ardrossan D wife of John McGraa
McGraa John 25 05 1956 14 Princes Lane, Ardrossan. D 81yrs.& husband of Margaret Dailly
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Having trouble finding William Hamilton in the 1901 census .Can you tell me his age,job,and where he was staying from the marriage details?
Ellen
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Re: HAMILTON and DAILLY families
Hi Caroline,
Yes, that is the family of Mary Ann Daily, my great-grandmother. Perhaps my post was a bit confusing, 'my' Margaret is Margaret Hamilton, not Dailly. She left Ardrossan and later married William Gemmell in Port Glasgow in 1924.
As you say, the birth entries of the later children may give a place of marriage. The earlier children might also show up in Irish records.
Thanks, Patrick.
Yes, that is the family of Mary Ann Daily, my great-grandmother. Perhaps my post was a bit confusing, 'my' Margaret is Margaret Hamilton, not Dailly. She left Ardrossan and later married William Gemmell in Port Glasgow in 1924.
As you say, the birth entries of the later children may give a place of marriage. The earlier children might also show up in Irish records.
Thanks, Patrick.
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Hi Patrick Gemmell,
I was thinking the Margaret who married John McGraa,was the one in the 1901 census .That is to say Mary Ann Dailly's sister .
Ellen
I was thinking the Margaret who married John McGraa,was the one in the 1901 census .That is to say Mary Ann Dailly's sister .
Ellen
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Re: HAMILTON and DAILLY families
Hi Ellen,
First my apologies. I missed the last three lines of your post, off the bottom of the screen!
From William Hamilton and Mary Ann Dailly's marriage lines in 1901:
William Hamilton, 27 years old, Seaman (Merchant Service)
Residence: 10 Montgomerie Lane, Ardrossan. (bad to read, but I think Montgomerie is correct).
Father: Thomas Hamilton, Dock Labourer.
Mother: Mary Hamilton m.s. Keenan.
To clarify:
1) Thomas Hamilton marries Mary Keenan.
2) They have a son, William Hamilton.
3) John Dailly marries Margaret Hannan.
4) They have a daughter, Mary Ann Dailly.
5) William Hamilton marries Mary Ann Dailly in 1901 Saltcoats, NOT Ardrossan, my mistake.
6) They have a daughter, Margaret Hamilton in 1902.
7) Margaret Hamilton marries William Gemmell in 1924 Port Glasgow.
Just a little aside, it was often mentioned that one of Margaret Hamilton's relatives was the Harbour Master at Ardrossan! I've never been able to find out whether that was true or not. Any ideas?
Patrick.
First my apologies. I missed the last three lines of your post, off the bottom of the screen!
From William Hamilton and Mary Ann Dailly's marriage lines in 1901:
William Hamilton, 27 years old, Seaman (Merchant Service)
Residence: 10 Montgomerie Lane, Ardrossan. (bad to read, but I think Montgomerie is correct).
Father: Thomas Hamilton, Dock Labourer.
Mother: Mary Hamilton m.s. Keenan.
To clarify:
1) Thomas Hamilton marries Mary Keenan.
2) They have a son, William Hamilton.
3) John Dailly marries Margaret Hannan.
4) They have a daughter, Mary Ann Dailly.
5) William Hamilton marries Mary Ann Dailly in 1901 Saltcoats, NOT Ardrossan, my mistake.
6) They have a daughter, Margaret Hamilton in 1902.
7) Margaret Hamilton marries William Gemmell in 1924 Port Glasgow.
Just a little aside, it was often mentioned that one of Margaret Hamilton's relatives was the Harbour Master at Ardrossan! I've never been able to find out whether that was true or not. Any ideas?
Patrick.
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Re: HAMILTON and DAILLY families
Hi Patrick
1901 Census
Name: Thomas Hamilton
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Hamilton
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 576/2
Registration district: New Ardrossan
Civil Parish: Ardrossan
Town: Ardrossan
County: Ayrshire
Address: 10 Montgomerie Lane
Occupation: Dock Labourer
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 169
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1901_215
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hamilton 70
Mary Hamilton 64 -c1837 Ireland
James Hamilton 32 -1869 Ardrossan
William Hamilton 27 -c1874 Ardrossan
Should be able to find the births of sons in Scotlandspeople.Will have details of where parents married.
Ellen
P.S
WILLIAM HAMILTON Birth: 26 DEC 1872 Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland
Father: THOMAS HAMILTON Family
Mother: MARY GAINING
JAMES HAMILTON Pedigree
Male
Birth: 02 JUL 1867 Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland
Father: THOMAS HAMILTON Family
Mother: MARY GAINING
Still need the marriage details from scotlandspeople
1901 Census
Name: Thomas Hamilton
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Hamilton
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 576/2
Registration district: New Ardrossan
Civil Parish: Ardrossan
Town: Ardrossan
County: Ayrshire
Address: 10 Montgomerie Lane
Occupation: Dock Labourer
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 169
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1901_215
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hamilton 70
Mary Hamilton 64 -c1837 Ireland
James Hamilton 32 -1869 Ardrossan
William Hamilton 27 -c1874 Ardrossan
Should be able to find the births of sons in Scotlandspeople.Will have details of where parents married.
Ellen
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WILLIAM HAMILTON Birth: 26 DEC 1872 Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland
Father: THOMAS HAMILTON Family
Mother: MARY GAINING
JAMES HAMILTON Pedigree
Male
Birth: 02 JUL 1867 Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland
Father: THOMAS HAMILTON Family
Mother: MARY GAINING
Still need the marriage details from scotlandspeople
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Re: HAMILTON and DAILLY families
Hi Ellen,
Thanks for that. I've just had a look at your Mary Gaining, with children Alexander, Hugh, Mary Ann, James, William and Laurence Gaining. several of the children seem to match Thomas' family. Then found records that showed a Thomas Hamilton and Mary Gaining as a couple. So, are Mary Keenan and Mary Gaining one and the same?
Hugh was born in 1865 in Ardrossan, so if he turns up in the 1871 in Thomas' family, it looks promising. If he does, his birth certificate will give us his mother's correct name, hopefully. Just done a quick search on SP but can't find a marriage for Thomas Hamilton and Mary Gaining, perhaps they married in Ireland (If at all).
Thanks again, Patrick.
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Thanks for that. I've just had a look at your Mary Gaining, with children Alexander, Hugh, Mary Ann, James, William and Laurence Gaining. several of the children seem to match Thomas' family. Then found records that showed a Thomas Hamilton and Mary Gaining as a couple. So, are Mary Keenan and Mary Gaining one and the same?
Hugh was born in 1865 in Ardrossan, so if he turns up in the 1871 in Thomas' family, it looks promising. If he does, his birth certificate will give us his mother's correct name, hopefully. Just done a quick search on SP but can't find a marriage for Thomas Hamilton and Mary Gaining, perhaps they married in Ireland (If at all).
Thanks again, Patrick.
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Re: HAMILTON and DAILLY families
Hi Patrick,
Could be a Spelling error or someone may have entered the wrong name on a marriage/death certificate.Scotlandspeople will have the birth of William 1872 Ardrossan,and show where parents married.£6 for 30 units.Good value .There should also be death details for Thomas And Mary online for you to find, that will show both their parents.
Ellen
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HUGH HAMILTON Birth: 08 JAN 1865 Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland
Father: THOMAS HAMILTON Family
Mother: MARY GAINING
MARY ANN HAMILTON Birth: 13 JAN 1870 Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland
Father: THOMAS HAMILTON Family
Mother: MARY GAINING
Could be a Spelling error or someone may have entered the wrong name on a marriage/death certificate.Scotlandspeople will have the birth of William 1872 Ardrossan,and show where parents married.£6 for 30 units.Good value .There should also be death details for Thomas And Mary online for you to find, that will show both their parents.
Ellen
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HUGH HAMILTON Birth: 08 JAN 1865 Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland
Father: THOMAS HAMILTON Family
Mother: MARY GAINING
MARY ANN HAMILTON Birth: 13 JAN 1870 Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland
Father: THOMAS HAMILTON Family
Mother: MARY GAINING
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Hi Patrick
1871 Census
Name: Lawrence Hamilton
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Thomas Hamilton -c1840 Ireland
Mother's name: Mary Hamilton -c1836 Ireland
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 576/2
Registration district: New Ardrossan
Civil Parish: Ardrossan
Town: Ardrossan
County: Ayrshire
Address: Harbour Place
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 74
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1871_105
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hamilton 31
Mary Hamilton 35
John Hamilton 10
Lawrence Hamilton 8
Hugh Hamilton 6
James Hamilton 3
Margaret Hamilton 1
Margaret not showing up in the IGI records
Ellen
PS 1881
Name: Thos Hamilton
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Hamilton
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 576/2
Registration district: New Ardrossan
Civil Parish: New Ardrossan
Town: Ardrossan
County: Ayrshire
Address: 11 Harbour Row
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_178
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Hamilton 47
Mary Hamilton 44
Lawrance Hamilton 18 Merchant Sevices
Hugh Hamilton 16 Apprentice moulder
James Hamilton 14 General Labourer
Mary Ann Hamilton 11
Wm Hamilton 9
Ellen
1871 Census
Name: Lawrence Hamilton
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Thomas Hamilton -c1840 Ireland
Mother's name: Mary Hamilton -c1836 Ireland
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 576/2
Registration district: New Ardrossan
Civil Parish: Ardrossan
Town: Ardrossan
County: Ayrshire
Address: Harbour Place
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 74
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1871_105
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hamilton 31
Mary Hamilton 35
John Hamilton 10
Lawrence Hamilton 8
Hugh Hamilton 6
James Hamilton 3
Margaret Hamilton 1
Margaret not showing up in the IGI records
Ellen
PS 1881
Name: Thos Hamilton
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Hamilton
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 576/2
Registration district: New Ardrossan
Civil Parish: New Ardrossan
Town: Ardrossan
County: Ayrshire
Address: 11 Harbour Row
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_178
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Hamilton 47
Mary Hamilton 44
Lawrance Hamilton 18 Merchant Sevices
Hugh Hamilton 16 Apprentice moulder
James Hamilton 14 General Labourer
Mary Ann Hamilton 11
Wm Hamilton 9
Ellen
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Re: HAMILTON and DAILLY families
Hi Ellen,
Looks like we both had the same idea this morning. I've just been comparing the children of Mary Keenan and those of Mary Gaining. (That we know of).
Mary Keenan
Children:
John b. abt.1861
Lawrence b. abt. 1863
Hugh b. abt. 1865
James b. abt. 1868
Margaret b. abt. 1870
Mary Ann b. abt 1870
William b.abt. 1874
Mary Gaining
Children:
Hugh b. 8/1/1865
James b. 2/7/1867
Mary Ann b. 13/1/1870
William b. 26/12/1872
Alexander b.1875 d. 1876
Lawrence Gaining b. abt. 1875
They look like the same person to me. Of course, at a time when few people could read and write, accents could change everything. I've used SP before, but recently I've been concentrating on Ireland so I let it lapse. When I work out the best certs to get, I'll get some credits for them.
Thanks, Patrick.
Looks like we both had the same idea this morning. I've just been comparing the children of Mary Keenan and those of Mary Gaining. (That we know of).
Mary Keenan
Children:
John b. abt.1861
Lawrence b. abt. 1863
Hugh b. abt. 1865
James b. abt. 1868
Margaret b. abt. 1870
Mary Ann b. abt 1870
William b.abt. 1874
Mary Gaining
Children:
Hugh b. 8/1/1865
James b. 2/7/1867
Mary Ann b. 13/1/1870
William b. 26/12/1872
Alexander b.1875 d. 1876
Lawrence Gaining b. abt. 1875
They look like the same person to me. Of course, at a time when few people could read and write, accents could change everything. I've used SP before, but recently I've been concentrating on Ireland so I let it lapse. When I work out the best certs to get, I'll get some credits for them.
Thanks, Patrick.
Re: HAMILTON and DAILLY families
Patrick, I have sent you an email re Gemmells.
Netta
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Re: HAMILTON and DAILLY families
Hi My grandmother was Maggie Dailly
Dailly Margaret 26/02/1960 Stanley Rd. Ardrossan D wife of John McGraa
McGraa John 25 05 1956 14 Princes Lane, Ardrossan. D 81yrs.& husband of Margaret Dailly
Joe McGraa
Dailly Margaret 26/02/1960 Stanley Rd. Ardrossan D wife of John McGraa
McGraa John 25 05 1956 14 Princes Lane, Ardrossan. D 81yrs.& husband of Margaret Dailly
Joe McGraa