Charles and Theresa Docherty

[Colin30Something]

Im looking for any information on Charles and Theresa Docherty (nee McNamara), my great grandparents. Charles was born in Govan around 1901 (he might have been adopted). His parents listed on the wedding certificate were John Walls Docherty and Mary Docherty (nee McElerney). Theresa was born in 1901 in Ardrossan to William McNamara and Eliza Jane McNamara (nee Donnan) According to immigration paperwork, their contact relation was Mrs Catherine McMillan of 6 Union Street, Saltcoats. Charles immigrated to the US in 1923, Theresa followed with their daughter Elsie (born in Ardrossan in 1922). Anybody know them or possibly do I still have relatives in the area? Let me know!

[Penny Tray]

The marriage of Theresa McNamara and Charles Docherty at St. Mary's R.C. Church, Saltcoats, is intimated in the 28 October 1921 edition of the Ardrossan & Saltcoats Herald.

There will undoubtedly be other family intimations on the same BDM site, which, if you haven't already studied it, is certainly worth a look.

http://www.ayrshire-roots.co.uk/ash.php

[Colin30Something]

Any relatives of John Walls Docherty here? Born 17 May 1877 in Saltcoats, Died 03 Nov 1955 in Kilmarnock. I'm doing research on my father's family, and I'm running into a wall here. Any help would be much appreciated.

[Penny Tray]

Colin,

Apologies if you already know everything I'm going to refer too but I don't always fully understand these topics and often find them ambiguous.

Firstly, I understand that you're resident in United States of America and may not therefore interpret information at your disposal in the same way Threetowners might. For example, when I read your latest post, I immediately disregarded it because you said that John Walls Docherty was born in Saltcoats in 1877 and died in Kilmarnock in 1955, 78 years later. I assumed therefore that somewhere in between times John had moved to Kilmarnock, set up home there, and died there, and since I don't know Kilmarnock very well, and don't know anyone who lives there, I switched off.

Later in the day I thought to myself, "I bet John was still a resident of Saltcoats, took unwell there, was conveyed to KILMARNOCK Infirmary, where all serious Threetown medical cases were taken in 1955, and died there." Reference to Kilmarnock therefore might be misleading.

I then referred to the Ardrossan & Saltcoats BDM database, which I previously recommended to you, and reinforced my thinking by noting that John seems to have been living at 3 Arthur Street, Saltcoats at the time of his death.

Can I ask you to clarify whether you don't know who John's relatives are or if you know who they are by name but can't trace them.

Somebody, presumably a family member, intimated John's death in the 11/11/1955 edition of the Ardrossan & Saltcoats Herald. The database gives only basic information in this respect but the actual newspaper, copies of which are available in or near the Threetowns (where unfortunately I am no longer resident), usually names the wife, son or sons, and/or daughter or daughters making the intimation, and I would be looking to access that newspaper or have someone access it on my behalf to give me a positive lead.

[sweet caroline]

Docherty
Charles
22 02 1873
Saltcoats.
M
Elizabeth Walls

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1881
John Docherty
Age:4
Estimated birth year:---abt 1877
Relationship:--Grandson
Gender:---Male
Where born:---Saltcoats, Ayrshire
Registration Number--:576/1
Registration district:--Old Ardrossan
Civil Parish:Old Ardrossan
Town:--Saltcoats
County:---Ayrshire
Address:---Vernon Street
ED:---4
Household schedule number:---4
LINE:--12
Roll:cssct1881_178
Household Members:

grandfather
Bernard Docherty
Age:---64
Estimated birth year:---abt 1817
Relationship:--Head
Spouse's name :--Marjory Docherty
Gender:--Male
Where born:---Ireland


Charles Docherty

Age:--28
Estimated birth year:--abt 1853
Relationship:--Son
Father's name:---Bernard Docherty
Mother's name:----Marjory Docherty
Gender:--Male
Where born:---Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number:----576/1


Charles
Last name
Docherty
Sex
Male
Birth year
1853
Birth date04 Apr 1853
Baptism year1853
Baptism date09 Apr 1853
Denomination
Roman Catholic
Baptism placeGlasgow
ParishSt Andrew
DioceseGlasgow
CountyLanarkshire
CountryScotland
Father's first name(s)Bernard
Father's last nameDocherty
Mother's first name(s)Margory
Mother's last nameDeveny
Volume06
ArchiveThe Scottish Catholic Archives
ReferenceMP/62


Not sure ?
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[sweet caroline]

1881 Census
Annie Docherty
Age:20
Estimated birth year:abt 1861
Relationship:Daughter
Father's name:Bernard Docherty
Mother's name:Marjory Docherty
Gender:Female
Where born:Saltcoats, Ayrshire
Registration Number:576/1
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Patrick Docherty
GenderMale
Birth Date27 Jun 1859
BirthplaceBEITH,AYR,SCOTLAND
Father's NameBernard Docherty
Mother's NameMarjory Divine
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Ann Docharty
GenderFemale
Birth Date27 Jul 1861
BirthplaceARDROSSAN,AYR,SCOTLAND
Father's NameBernard Docharty
Mother's NameMargery Divine
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Edward Docherty
Gender Male
Birth Date26 Apr 1857
BirthplaceBEITH,AYR,SCOTLAND
Father's NameBernard Docherty
Mother's NameMarjory Divine

Citing this Record
"Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY1R-F9Z : 2 January 2015), Edward Docherty, 26 Apr 1857; citing BEITH,AYR,SCOTLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 6,035,516.

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[sweet caroline]

According to Ancestry tree .
Berdard Docherty D13 MARCH 1883 • Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Marjory D13 SEPTEMBER 1902 • Old Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tree says b c1820 Donegal, Ireland

Edit-Any of the births after 1855 should have parents marr.details on it, Best ones are 1855-1860

Edit-There is a Bernard Docherty death 1883 Govan.I would also try for a poor relief record in wifes name ,as the Glasgow Poor relief records are very good.It can all be done online.

http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/libraries ... fault.aspx

Official Records for Scotland is Scotlandspeople.

[sweet caroline]

Regarding Patrick Docherty
GenderMale
Birth Date27 Jun 1859
BirthplaceBEITH,AYR,SCOTLAND
Father's NameBernard Docherty
Mother's NameMarjory Divine


1861 Census
Patrish Docherty
Age:1
Estimated birth year:abt 1860
Relationship:Boarder
Gender:Male
Where born:Bath, Ayrshire
Registration Number:644/5
Registration district:Clyde
Civil Parish:Glasgow St Enoch
County:Lanarkshire
Address:6 Goosedub St
ED:36
Household schedule number:84
LINE:10
Roll:CSSCT1861_104
Household Members:
Name
Age
Edward Devine 52 -abt 1809 ireland
Bridget Devine 52-abt 1809 Ireland
Rose Devine 7 ---abt 1854 Ireland
William Devine 9
Margery Docherty 40- abt 1821 ireland
Margaret Docherty 13 -abt 1848 Glasgow
Margery Docherty 10
Charles Docherty 8 -abt 1853 Glasgow

Charles
Last name
Docherty
Sex
Male
Birth year
1853
Birth date
04 Apr 1853
Baptism year
1853
Baptism date
09 Apr 1853
Denomination
Roman Catholic
Baptism place
Glasgow
Parish
St Andrew
Diocese
Glasgow
County
Lanarkshire
Country
Scotland
Father's first name(s)
Bernard
Father's last name
Docherty
Mother's first name(s)
Margory
Mother's last name
Deveny
Volume
06
Archive
The Scottish Catholic Archives
Reference
MP/62
Year range
1795-1869
Section
01
Sub section
02
Record set
Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms




John Docherty 5
Edward Docherty 3 -c1858 Bath (beith)
Patrish Docherty 1 -c1860 Bath (beith)

[sweet caroline]

to help you pinpoint deaths on Scotlandspeople.From a tree on Ancestry .

Edward Devine
1806–1874
Birth ABT 1806 • Ireland
Death 28 JANUARY 1874 • Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland, United Kingdom


Bridget Logue
1806–1874
Birth ABT 1806 • Ireland
Death 20 FEBRUARY 1874 • Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

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Bridget
Last nameDevine
SexFemale
Age68
Denomination
Roman Catholic
Birth year1806
Death year
Burial year1874
Burial date10 Nov 1874
Burial placeGlasgowCemetery
St Peter's Dalbeth Cemetery
Parish
Diocese
Glasgow
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Edward
Last name
Devine
Sex
Male
Age68
Denomination
Roman Catholic
Birth year1806
Death year
Burial year1874
Burial date01 Feb 1874
Burial placeGlasgow
CemeterySt Peter's Dalbeth Cemetery
Parish
Diocese
Glasgow
County
Lanarkshire

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[sweet caroline]

Wrong Bridget posted

Bridget
Last name-Devine
SexFemale
Age-66
Denomination-Roman Catholic
Birth year-1808
Death year
Burial year-1874
Burial date-21 Feb 1874
Burial place-Glasgow
Cemetery-St Peter's Dalbeth Cemetery
Parish
Diocese-Glasgow
County-Lanarkshire

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