Photo 1915 - Ardrossan Docks Long Service Employees

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Re: Photo 1915 - Ardrossan Docks Long Service Employees

Post by sweet caroline » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:44 am

Richard,I think those were the rules at that time.Women had no rights then ,and Father would have to declare he was the Father.Just like today a man must acknowledge paternity for his name to be on a Birth Certificate.Adoption at that time was not a legal proccess ,but through an understanding between parties.I'd be surprised if they were not related someway.Remember also that we are talking WW1 time . As for "Murky" secret,the Censuses are full of illigit children,and at one time if the Mother died the eldest Daughter took over her "DUTIES " even in the bedroom ,resulting in her giving birth to her fathers child.All children belonged to the Father ,and a wife if "leaving" her Husband ,needed his permission to take the children with her.

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Post by Richard » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:36 am

SWEET CAROLINE: PERFECT:
Thank you very much for doing that for me as Margaret is another "suspect".
I also have a copy of a travel document for the brother Charles and one of the questions on it asks; "name of nearest relative in country whence passenger came". Charles put down his sisters name AND also the details of an aunt. The
writing was difficult to make-out because he tried to cram the info into the space allowed for the answer and you were
only supposed to write the details of one relative. So why did he write 2 lots of details ? Anyway, I'm wandering off track here. On this document he states that the aunt comes from Barton,Bunton,Burdon (as I said, difficult to read),
near Alyth. I always thought it said Barnton or Bardon and I was right, according to your info on that census.
So, once again, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ps: YES, I tried looking for a poor relief record at the Mitchell last year, when I first started this research and never
got anywhere but that's when I did not know very much. I think I will give it another try, next time I'm in Glasgow.
It may also be worth checking Ayrshire poor relief records, after-all, that's were she lived and only went back to
Glasgow to 'give birth & hide the pregnancies', AS FAR AS WE KNOW ?

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Post by sweet caroline » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:49 am

Murison David 28/04/1916 in action D son of David Murison, Saltcoats
Murison Catharine Adam 19/04/1918 Kelvinside, Glasgow M W. F. Barclay
Murison David 07 02 1919 Torwood, 18, Forbie Road, Saltcoats. D 69yrs.

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Edit-MURISON, D
Rank:Private
Service No:434298
Date of Death:12/04/1916
Regiment/Service:Canadian Infantry
10th Bn.
Grave ReferenceVI. B. 10.
CemeteryLIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY
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Post by Richard » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:16 pm

SWEET CAROLINE:
I have all that info on the 2 Davids but thank you for bringing it to my attention.
As for Catharine Adam Murison; not one of mine, well, not that I know of ?????
Yes, I was aware of the circumstances that women would find themselves in regarding "their duties" and everything else you mentioned but as for the "In the bedroom" part.....Jeeeeeeeeeez oh.
Never even contemplated that for a split second. Suppose nobody in their right mind would but I guess it did go on in
those days because the more I look into the past with this research the more I see & realise that women were treated worse than dogs. I knew they were treated badly but that was a understatement. Anyway, I sincerely think that was not
the case in my story. The only way I can see Mary was treated badly was due to the pig ignorant values & beliefs of that time, towards illegitimate children & their mothers, (whilst the man moved on to his next conquest). Those "values" were so strongly believed in those days that it still permeates certain sections of todays society. Mary was forced, like thousands of women from that time, to act & go against every caring fibre she was built & designed for, by having to
part with 2 lives she brought into this world, because of some warped sense of right & wrong, with a hint of: What would the neighbours think? Anyway. Thank you once again for trying & for the.....interesting info.
RICHARD.

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Post by morag » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:16 pm

This is interesting, but hard put to me. As a Scots Irish woman, and knowing them, I can't think one of my female ancestors would have put up with that..ye'd more like to be handed yer 'willie' in a wee hand pack!
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Post by Richard » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:08 pm

AYE MORAG: //funny
And some of the females from my lot, scottish, widney hiv boathered geein them it back and I've instilled the same considerate thinking into my own daughters up-bringing...NEVER TO TAKE ANY C@#p from ANY male. :twisted:
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Post by sweet caroline » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:37 pm

Morag ,the bedroom part was before 1850's and i think mostly in England.They would have been out in the street if they refused their father.

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Post by Hughie » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:18 am

Richard Alexander wrote:AYE MORAG: //funny
And some of the females from my lot, scottish, widney hiv boathered geein them it back and I've instilled the same considerate thinking into my own daughters up-bringing...NEVER TO TAKE ANY C@#p from ANY male. :twisted:
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You'll find it more convenient registering, so that your posts appear instantaneously rather having to wait for a moderator to approve each one. :wink:

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Post by morag » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:26 am

Richard Alexander wrote:AYE MORAG: //funny
And some of the females from my lot, scottish, widney hiv boathered geein them it back and I've instilled the same considerate thinking into my own daughters up-bringing...NEVER TO TAKE ANY C@#p from ANY male. :twisted:
RICHARD.
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Re: Photo 1915 - Ardrossan Docks Long Service Employees

Post by History Hunter » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:33 pm

Just joined. Thank you for hosting this forum.

My grandfather was Thomas Baird Murison, the brother of Charles and David Murison. My brother was named after Charles Murison and my second name is after David Murison (the son of David and Jessie). So this thread is of great interest to me.

The three boys, Charles, David and Thomas Baird were born in the area of Glasgow. At one point and prior to their going to Canada, they lived in the Saltcoats/Ardrossan area. Their parents David Murison and Jessie Cousland (Baird) Murison and their sister Mary Gray Murison lived at Torwood. I have a few pictures of them there.

By the way; I believe that the referenced Jack Larsson Murison, Mary Gray's son, ended up in New Zealand in a place I am told is called Matakohe. Apparently he married there and, if memory serves me, he predeceased his wife.

I have a wealth of information on the Murisons and especially from the time they started traveling to Canada right through their deaths. I also have a number of pictures of the Murisons, from the time they lived in Saltcoats/Ardrossan and onwards.

I believe that Richard, one of the posters, and I have corresponded before about his being descended from Mary Gray Murison. (Richard; if you read this, I have family pictures you might like to see. I can post them, if you'd like.)

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